Updating a movement in Bridgemate

[grover]

Ian,

We had a situation last week which we weren't sure how to handle, because of the ASE issue where boards aren'[t scored unless they appear in Section One.

We had three sections: (A) 9x3 (B) 9x3 (C) 13x2.
Sections A and B had 27 boards, and section C had 26, so A was entered as section 1 -- no problem yet.
Then a late pair arrives to play in section C, giving that section 28 boards.

In the old days that would be no problem, because we wouldn't normally enter the movement into ASE until late in the session, so we could simply enter section C as section 1.

However, with Bridgemate, now we have to enter the movement before the session starts (in order to load the info to the BM boxes), so section A had already been entered as section 1 (and section B had been entered as section 2) and scores were already coming in for those sections.

Any ideas?

PS. Even on sessions with no late arrivals, we are still affected. Because we have to wait until the last moment before deciding which section to enter first, we are under a lot of pressure to get 3 or 4 sections entered quickly at the start of play. If not for this bug, we could begin entering the movement much earlier (eg. at a session with 34-38 tables, we could enter three 9 table sections in advance, without needing to know how many tables will be in the 4th section).

Thanks,
brad

[grover]

Response from Ian:

Brad,

The "section number" for BM is the letter. So "A" is BM 1 "B" is BM 2 etc.
The section number in ASE is not related.
So I suggest (e.g. as you know you are to have 3 sections) that ASE section 1 is setup as "C" with say 30 boards.

then 2 is "A" and 3 is "B" with the correct no of tables, or if "B" is larger than "A" then vice-versa. If they change then [replace] them with the correct movements.

Then replace 1 (C) with the right movement when known and if it is the largest section.
If not delete 1 and then add a new section (3) as "C".
Then [load] session details in ASE and then in BM update movement in BM section 3 (which is C).

Note: In fact replacing and deleting/adding can be done as you like as the letter is the link to BM.

Ian

[grover]

Ian,
A couple of questions arising from this response:

1) In your second paragraph, discussing sections 2 and 3, you mention that these sections should also be in order of numbers of boards. I assume that this is just a precaution in case section 1 has to be deleted, but I just wanted to check that this is the case.

2) Looking at my example case from my original email, can you confirm that this is the full process:
(a) First we have to delete all three sections from ASE, because the wrong section is #1.
(b) Then we re-enter all three sections from scratch, with C as #1.
(c) Meanwhile, Bridgemate will continue to collect incoming scores under the old movement?
(d) Then we select Update Movement and update the movement, starting from Round 2 so that we don't lose the scores from Round 1.
(e) Since Section C was the only section that changed, we don't need to select Sections A and B when doing the Update Movement?
(f) That's all, no other action required (no loading, no sychronisation step, etc)?

3) Are there any future plans to remove the requirement to have the section with the most boards as Section 1?

Thanks,
brad

[ianmac]

1) In your second paragraph, discussing sections 2 and 3, you mention that these sections should also be in order of numbers of boards. I assume that this is just a precaution in case section 1 has to be deleted, but I just wanted to check that this is the case.

Correct


2) Looking at my example case from my original email, can you confirm that this is the full process:
(a) First we have to delete all three sections from ASE, because the wrong section is #1.
(b) Then we re-enter all three sections from scratch, with C as #1.


You could replace ASE section 1 with "C" and ASE 3 with "A". Note you would only have to update the movement in BM for "C" (BM section #3)


(c) Meanwhile, Bridgemate will continue to collect incoming scores under the old movement?


Correct


(d) Then we select Update Movement and update the movement, starting from Round 2 so that we don't lose the scores from Round 1.


Update the movements of the sections that have changed.


(e) Since Section C was the only section that changed, we don't need to select Sections A and B when doing the Update Movement?


Correct


(f) That's all, no other action required (no loading, no sychronisation step, etc)?


correct. The scores captured in BridgeMate are held independently of the movement definition.


3) Are there any future plans to remove the requirement to have the section with the most boards as Section 1?


This requirement is not difficult to work with and allows you to control the boards in the scoring.
eg. 3 sections with (1) 28 (2) 27 (3) 26 boards will automatically factor scores missing on 27 and 28

eg. 3 sections with (1) 27 (2) 26 (3) 28 will factor scores missing from 27 and drop 28 from the results.

BUT you will always need the largest number of tables in (ASE) section 1 so that all movements are correct from the players point of view (board 28 would be missing in the last example).
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